The wiki repeatedly refers to Exorcism being used as a means to remove the roleplaying effects attached to a ritual. I’ve not heard people being told “you have a size X effect on you” after being targeted with a ritual, only what the effect is. Rituals like Chamber of Delights can be removed by a Strength 1 Exorcism. Is this the same for all Ritual and potion based roleplaying effects?
I would go in assuming Yes.
As a general rule, Liao trumps Mana for RP effects.
I got a ref call at GOD one event claiming that all roleplaying effects off rituals were removable with a rank 1 exorcism, but on further inquiry this turns out to not be the case - the call I got instead was that Exorcism doesn’t work that way. So I assume that unless it is specifically stated in the roleplaying effect that it creates an aura that can be exorcised, that it can’t be affected by exorcism.
Aside from Hero Points and other sources of RP effect resistance, I would expect that other sources of roleplaying effects are the way to counter these. However it isn’t clear if this is the case, and if it is the case, how exactly it is meant to work. If I’m under the roleplaying effects of, say, Fight Tooth and Nail, as well as an Anointing of Loyalty, can I use the latter to counter or mitigate the former in some way?
- I’d email PD.
Same as Dre - My assumption only roleplay effects that specify they can be exorcised can be.
From my reading of Exorcism it targets the specific aura, spirit or spiritual wound that is causing the effect. Some sources of roleplay effects are more complicated than this.
Illium empowered permanent rituals and Artefact roleplay auras specifically cannot be exorcised. Most curses similarly require far more than just exorcism to deal with.
You might be able to use a annointing or hallowing to override a roleplay effect or Hero Points to resist one, but this hasn’t removed the effect.
Hallowing of the Token esp. seems designed for this.
profounddecisions.co.uk/empi … _the_Token
That’s weird … I am 100% certain that all rp effects are removable from rituals with a rank 1 exorcism. E-mail PeeDee and see what they say.
From my e-mail to PD…
Reply:
Are there any rituals that have roleplay effects but don’t specify that they can/cannot be exorcised?
Pretty much all of them. Some of them specify that it is a “short-lived” effect which clearly doesn’t persist, others imply that the effect lasts as long as the enchantment. Take Fight Tooth and Nail as a particularly strong example where an exorcism would make a world of difference.
I’m going to email this in. Thought I may have missed it.
References:
Aha, you’ve managed to find a couple more references than I was able to when I originally wrote in. So either those were missed during a rules change or the rules haven’t been specified to follow the intention yet…
Edit:
In fact, Fight Tooth and Nail mentions it too:
Certainly I have had potion rp effects exorcised from me in uptime…
We’ve exorcised, anointed and hallowed people who we have Fight Tooth & Nailed - just to be safe… no issues with the Refs that watched us do it.
OC: Henry Who Hates Forums
IC: Brother Jared of the Suns of Couros Chapter, Highguard; Steward of the Dead, Magister of Winter, Cardinal of the Path of Loyalty
As a general rule, I would still work on the assumption that only rituals that say they can be exorcised (generally the enchantments which create auras as their primary purpose, rather than a side effect) are affected by the Exorcism ceremony.
However, there is this interesting nugget in the rules for Crystal Clarity of the Rational Soul:
“Unlike other auras created by magic, this enchantment cannot be directly supplanted by the anointing ceremony. The ceremony will still work (provided there is no pre-existing aura on the target of greater strength), but the Crystal Clarity of the Rational Soul enchantment immediately suppresses it.”
So for roleplay effects created as a side effect you might be better off Annointing the target/victim [delete as appropriate] to supplant whatever effect they are under. Of course, the beauty of RP effects is that it is entirely up to the player hit by two roleplay effects whether the stronger/more recent one supplants the other or whether they interact in some way, so you might need to be careful what you use - Purity Of Courage might not be much use to someone under the effects of Fight Tooth & Nail, and could conceivably make matters worse!
Fight Tooth and Nail and Black Coils of the Leech both contain flavour text of Magisters exorcising the targets afterwards to maintain safe useage. This is president to suggest the default is rp effects can be exorcised and is supported in what refs have allowed in uptime.
As far as I am aware, and from IC actions at the last event, you can exorcise the RP effects of any ritual/potion without affecting the rest of the ritual/potion effects, unless it specifically says otherwise on the ritual/potion entry. This only requires a rank 1 exorcism, although this removal of RP effects lasts until dawn, rather than the whole duration of the ritual, so may need re-exorcising for things of Season duration. An example of a ritual this worked on is Embrace the Living Flame, which makes no references to exorcism on its page at all.
What is the intended use case of curses, then?
Most curses are a badass RP effect connected to a situational mechanical effect. They are unusable in PvE except for edge cases (Hollowed), because pronouncements of doom are touch range, effectively requiring an incapacitated target. So they must be for PvP.
You’re casting All the World in a Grain of Sand because the target is driven screaming insane, not because it stops them contributing to rituals. You’re casting Anathemic Call of Bug and Briar because it seals itching powder in the target’s underwear for an entire year, not because it decreases the output of a resource that they probably don’t own.
If this effect can be removed by a rank 1 exorcism, then these year-duration curses which cost between one and three characters’ event income to cast are likely to have effect for about five minutes (plus ref-finding time). I mean, I’m biased, but this seems like a bug.
The Economic curses being bypassable for 2 crowns to an uneffected resource and a liao are particularly urksome
From emailing in:
[quote]Unless stated otherwise, then a Level 1 exorcism would be required. Please note that you may not have access to the information as to if a level 1 exorcism would work, but that you need a ref to use this effect.
Potion RP effects can also be done, with the same restrictions.[/quote]
The economic curses will be more useful when/if the economy finally stabilises to the point at which people are upgrading their resources and the hit you take from changing resource is worse than the curse.
This really needs a clear statement on the wiki as to how Exorcism works for
-Removing the RP side-effects of Enchantments
-Removing or reducing the RP effects of Curses. Because if you can suppress them with it, for the low price of 1 Liao a day you can bullshit the “why were you branded?” effect of Freezing Brand of Irremais.
-Being aware of what you are targeting. If you’re not sure if there’s a magic aura on them, how can you blow it up?
-Season duration effects. Because if the RP effect refreshes each day, it makes Exorcism less overpowered on them.
It seems reasonable that Curse RP effects would be harder to remove than Enchantment ones because of how Curses are different. They stack, you can’t easily remove them etc.
[quote=“Jim”]From emailing in:
-Removing or reducing the RP effects of Curses. Because if you can suppress them with it, for the low price of 1 Liao a day you can bullshit the “why were you branded?” effect of Freezing Brand of Irremais.
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Freezing Brand specifically specifies that you cannot remove the effect with Exorcism. Unfettered Anarchy is the same.
Right. That’s not on all curses. It’s not for example on the highly expensive single target curses of Curse of Decrepitude, Gangrenous Flesh, and Like Water Through Your Fingers. Question is if that’s a bug or a feature.