Ritual Rules of Mana

Hello all!
Just a quick and probably very stupid question when it comes to covens and spending mana in the Regio at Anvil…

"- Every ritual has a cost in crystalized mana to perform the ritual

  • A ritualist may only expend mana up to their level of skill
  • The regio at Anvil allows magicians to use one crystal more than their limit
  • Crystalized mana expended by a character who has mastered the ritual counts double"

When it says the Regio at Anvil allows magicians to use one crystal more than their limit does this mean PER CONTRIBUTOR or PER COVEN?

IE, we have four ritualists, all of them have mastery in the spell; giving us a magnitude of eight; but if they can use one more crystal mana each, would that not give a possible spend of 12 mana? Or am I just reading this wrong or failing to see a very obvious loop hole?

Not a ref, but I believe it’s per contributor - means that e.g. each person who had Day lore 1 would be able to contribute as if they had Day 2, for example. This does mean that you can get a lot more out of casting a ritual with many contributors on the regio than if you just had a single person casting a ritual - I think this is intentional rather than a loophole. :slight_smile:

Not a ref, but an archmage: it works like this.

The Regio affects every contributor.
The other buffs that say ‘your whole coven’ affect, well, your whole coven.
Most other things that raise your Lore raise your Lore alone.

I have Spring 3. I may contribute 3 mana to a Spring ritual. I have no mates.
I have the Decorative Sheepy Stick of +2 Lore, I may contribute 2 more.
I have the Ring of Spong for +1 Lore, I may contribute 1 more.
I am on Drugs of Doom, I may contribute 1 more.
I am enchanted up the Wazoo, I may contribute 1 more.
I am standing in the Regio, I may contribute 1 more.
I am contributing a total of 9 mana.
I have the ritual mastered, so that is doubled: 18.
I can cast a ritual of 18th magnitude by spending 9 mana crystals and two minutes.

Yacen Olecovna Zlata has Spring 3. He may contribute 3 mana to a Spring ritual.
He is standing in the Regio, he may contribute 1 more.
Total 4.
He is not as Prosperous as me - he has no toys, no enchantment, no drugs - but he still has the ritual mastered: 8.
What he does have is his two beautiful assistants.
Dusan contributes 3 + 1 = 4, doubled: 8.
Mira contributes 3 + 1 = 4, doubled: 8.
Yacen and his friends can cast a ritual of up to 24th magnitude, without needing the Stick or the Ring or the enchantment or the Potion or anything.

From this we conclude that friends are OP.
This is a deliberate design decision.

(Side-note: Yacen, Dusan and Mira instructing three little apprentices gain neither bonus nor penalty from doing this, mechanically. A schoolteacher casting a ritual with the dubious assistance of 30 kids does not gain +30 lore from the regio, despite the fact that under his instruction they behave as if they have his skills: mechanically, the ritual is being cast off his numbers alone, as if the kids weren’t there. Funny as the alternative would be.)

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Awesome, its good to know that friends are more important than magic rings. :wink:

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The basic way to do ritual maths is to count up.

Firstly, work out how much lore each contributor has. Remember to include any potions, covenstones, and the regio for each contributor.

Secondly, give each contributor a number of mana crystals equal to their lore.

Thirdly, get each contributor who has mastered the ritual to put their mana in the middle, in turn, and count 2 per crystal they put in.

If you get to the magnitude to do the ritual during this process, then you’re done! Take that quantity of mana, hand it to the ref, job’s a good un.

Otherwise, get each contributor who hasn’t mastered the ritual to put their mana in the middle, in turn, and count 1 per crystal they put in.

If you now get to the magnitude to do the ritual during this process, then take the pile of mana and give it to the ref. But if you don’t get to the magnitude by the end of this, you can’t do the ritual.

[quote=“Shevek”]When it says the Regio at Anvil allows magicians to use one crystal more than their limit does this mean PER CONTRIBUTOR or PER COVEN?

IE, we have four ritualists, all of them have mastery in the spell; giving us a magnitude of eight; but if they can use one more crystal mana each, would that not give a possible spend of 12 mana? Or am I just reading this wrong or failing to see a very obvious loop hole?[/quote]

Yes, as that wonderful example by Iulian demonstrates. Alot of the ritual magic game is getting your mates togeather to summon Captain Planet.

However… there is a limitation on casting togeather. You need to be in a Coven.
profounddecisions.co.uk/empi … nds#Covens

All members of a coven need to be from the same Nation.
An Urizen mage and Dawnish weaver cannot combine their powers, even if they had exactly the same Lore and rituals mastered.

And a coven can only perform upto two rituals per day.
And this applies even if you didn’t yourself contribute towards earlier coven group castings.

[quote]A coven can only perform up to two rituals each day. A character may perform any number of rituals by themselves and they may include others in the ritual performance. But the power of the coven can only be used to combine magical strengths twice per day. Some magical paraphernalia increase the number of rituals a coven can perform in a single day.

If a character is part of a coven that have already perform a ritual together that day, then they may join another coven but they cannot participate in another ritual conducted by that coven until the next day.[/quote]

So if Dusan and Mira cast two spells togeather using their coven bond before Yacen even gets out of bed… then Yacen could not cast any spells as part of a coven that day, even if he leaves the coven in a huff because Dusan and Mira are getting upto all sorts of fun without him.
(Which is why trying to put all the ritual casters from a nation into a single coven is a bad idea… ignoring arguments over the Coven’s oath…)

So a significantly powerful solo-caster can in theory cast many more rituals than a coven.
A far more practical limiter tends to be access to enough mana.

This is unless they have Volhov robes right? Then you can join in any ritual so long as you have the required lore. But you still have a limit of 2 “group” rituals a day, whether this is in an existing coven or with someone else in Volhov robes. I assume with the robes, mana expenditure is treated in exactly the same way?

Yes. The robes allow you to contribute to the ritual, nothing else changes.

Helpful addition mine,