(New Player) Making my Orc costume. Any pointers?

So next event will be my first event, I haven’t LARPed before but I know the community/rules and such well. But I have no idea where to start looking for the stuff i need. The mask is a given and Profound Decisions has kindly provided a company that does masks for a reasonable price. But i wouldn’t know where to find anything else, so i’ll leave a general idea of what i’m thinking of with my Orc costume and if any online shops, suppliers etc come in mind please do tell.

Large wrappings for forearms and lower legs and possibly neck/shoulder area, (a dark green, red or brown although i haven’t decided yet) bits of leather and chain mail for warskirt (Also how would i go about making one of these or is there somewhere that supplies them?) and shoulders/upper arms. Plate armour for my front torso and a helm that would fit over the orc mask. I’ll probably wear my steel caps for foot wear but i’m open to suggestions that might fit better for the setting/being comfortable. I’ve heard of orc skin gloves mentioned somewhere but i’m not sure whether that was a thing or not. Lastly I was thinking of getting a tower shield but was wondering if Imp Orcs took anything specific shield wise (Any size limits?). And where the heck can i find long polearms? (Again, size limits?)

Any help is appreciated and I hope to join my fellow Orcs on the front line soon!

Well, here’s the rules for shields, with approximate sizes…polearms are on the same page.

https://www.profounddecisions.co.uk/empire-wiki/Weapons_%26_armour#Shields

and this old thread on making orc kit:

Some of the groups in the Imperial Orcs have their own shield designs, and it may be worth talking to them and seeing if they have any spare or available, if you want to join their groups.

Bear in mind that if you want to get extra hits from your armour, it’ll have to be a bit more cohesive than torso + helm, but not by much :slight_smile:

There are a lot of suppliers listed on the Empire wiki:

https://www.profounddecisions.co.uk/empire-wiki/Traders

And most of them will be at any one event. If you’ve the money, you could likely acquire all the kit you want in an hour or so of shopping on Friday afternoon, before time-in :slight_smile: That’s weapons, shield, armour, and “soft kit”.

I suspect that there’ll be a few experienced orcs along to give some specific advice, but as general guidelines:
Do your best with kit, you won’t be the best, but you won’t be the worst.
Go for warm and comfortable over in-character. Especially re boots. Heavy socks and waterproof boots are essential for event 1 each year. Maybe some thermal underwear as well.
Charity shops are good for finding all manner of things, which can be made very IC and nation-specific with a bit of crude/primal embroidery, some designs painted on, extra dangly bits, and so on.

And welcome to the forum and the game! :slight_smile:

Thanks a ton man, this is really helpful, excitement tells me to get everything all at once, I guess i need to reel it in a bit :smiley: with regards to armour, would shoulders and perhaps greaves lock it in as heavy armour? Just trying to figure out a budget here as i’ve already seen it’s quite expensive.

From the relevant page, same as those weapons sizes:

"Armour protects the wearer by increasing their global hits if it covers the majority of the torso and at least one other location. Valid locations are the head (with a helm), the arms and the legs, or you may cover half of your arms and legs.

E.g. A mail vest covers your torso but does not cover another location. If you wear it with a helm them it would count."

For a suit of heavy armour, you’ll need full torso coverage (front and back) and a helm. Not many of the orcs wear a metal helmet, as it’s extra wieght and encumberance over a full head mask.

The other option is full torso, greaves and bracers (ie, half arms and half legs = 1 extra location, + torso = a set).

This is popular because a full metal helm (or even a chainmail coif) is pricey compared to greaves and bracers (I can reccomend White Rose Apperel for good value plate here).

Mechanically, heavy armour stops CLEAVE and IMPALE shots. If you’re carrying a shield, covering you between shoulder and knee, some smug sniper shoots you in the shin, that’s an IMPALE to the leg, and you fall over. There’s plenty of happy barbarian orcs who will go for an unprotected leg with a CLEAVE call, for the same result… And when you reach forwards in the battleline for a dramatic murderous blow on that barbarian in front of you, the last thing you want is his buddy to bring down a CLEAVE call on your unprotected forearm as it comes in his easy reach.

Conversely, CLEAVE and IMPALE only do 1 point of damage if they hit head or neck (this is to make it mechanically unprofitable to perform head hits, as well as discouraging huge two-handed blows to the noggin…

…I have fallen over when recieving an IMPALE to the head. Once while playing a barbarian orc, in the woods… I snuck up on their rearguard, charged, and an archer turned and fired, 30ft away, eyeshot! Perfectly safe, but I felt it was awesome enough for an insta-kill. And again on the battlefield, playing my character, wearing a medium helm. This giant lobster monster bigger than I was grabbed me round the head with a claw and was thrashing around while it died under the blades of my friends. It collapsed, I collapsed, I asked the monster “what damage were you doing with those claws?” “IMPALE by blow”. And I decided to go on my death count then. Because come on, that so should have been a horrible fatal head-crushing injury! Character survived, I got jumped on by physics, walked off the field to buy a new helmet, and had lobster for dinner.

… yeah, LARP is a mechanism for generating stories :slight_smile:

Anyway, re expense… if you’re playing an orc, you can get away with not pristine and mirror polished armour slightly more than in, say, Highguard or Dawn. So have a look around the internet for any kit that’s being sold off. Look through those traders. Ask friends if they can lend you something for that first event or so, to give you time to have a look at everything.

However, armour will last. It will likely outlast you character and the Empire system. Unless it’s something really specific (chainmail with your characters heraldry built into it), you’ll be able to use it for the next character, and the next, and the next. And if you end up selling it on, it’s got good resale. It may be the most expensive single purchase you make for your character, but it’s an investment.

Look, for example, at the knight in the illustration here:
https://www.profounddecisions.co.uk/empire-wiki/Gryphonsoul_Aegis
Simple, generic, re-usable, looks good (Alas, it didn’t save her, but that’s another story…)

You’ve got over 5 months to sort kit out, plenty of time to go for a cheaper option if you can find one. Just don’t get over-ambitious and decide to make your own from scratch…

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Solid advice, nice story! xD I’ll have a look around on ebay and see what i can pull together for a basic start. The reason I liked the idea of only frontal torso armour is because it would go with my initial character idea which was that he would only have frontal armour so that if he retreated and turned his back he would die for being coward. Basically his way of forcing himself to keep fighting on. No work around for that at all?

That does assume you’re always fighting honourable soldiers who line up in front of you, instead of sneaky skirmishers who nip round the sides!

Very true, but it proves they’re dishonourable! But then again i would be dead… while i still think it would be a cool idea, full armour does sound like a better idea. :DDD

Have you joined the Orc Facebook group? You will find more specific advice (by sheer dint of facebook pestering everyone). I would recommend piecing your kit together bit by bit and getting your soft kit right first. Also pole arms need 2 hands, and while they are awesome to use, do not work with a shield and don’t sling over the back well. They tangle in branches and such. Pick one and go from there.

Also remember you need a costume that isn’t armour. You won’t be walking around Anvil all day in armour (or rather, you probably shouldn’t) so make sure you have something ‘casual’ to wear.

If you don’t have a group you’re joining as an orc, I’d recommend looking into that, because for most of the legions, they have unique style. Gaterenders have fancy armour from the League, in black and purple. Sunhammers have a Mediterranean influence in yellows and creams and browns. Your legion will probably influence your kit quite heavily.

Signed up for the imperial orc facebook group so we’ll see how that goes. It’s a shame that shields don’t work with spears, that’s like the ultimate weapon combination, how are effective shield walls formed? But anyway, costume. I’ve started to put something together similar to this:

https://www.facebook.com/jack.slack/media_set?set=a.10151443701199809.563325.560834808&type=3

https://www.facebook.com/mdaweswood/media_set?set=a.10152462596406464.1073741843.515731463&type=3

went around a few charity shops and more specific places, found some stuff, now attempting to put it together, will post if it goes well! The only “armour” I want to buy at the moment is a few bits of chainmail that i can attach to my warskirt for aesthetic reasons, would i have to buy rings for it or is there somewhere that does strips of mail or something?

If you do facebook then try UK Larp kit group and see if anyone has any panels of chain already made up, or a trashed chainmail shirt that you could scavenge. bits turn up fairly regularly on there.

Shield and spear is a thing. And shield walls are just fine with axes or swords. Boring though imo.

I’ll go have a look there then, Charlie. Thanks in advance.

Too much realism can be a boring thing, but still, effective formations can win the day!

Ah you said pole arm specifically.
If you mean long spear then yes you can use it 2 handed and one handed with a shield. But specifically musty be a spear and you can only thrust with it.

Oh right, a pole arm to me is spears, bills, halberds, everything all in one category, i’ll watch out with that one in the future then xD

I get where your coming from.